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9/22/2008 8:44 PM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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Prank Palin

My friends mom sent this and i thought it was a funny idea:

With a minimum donation of $5 this is worth every penny not only
because it supports every woman's right choose, and supports choice for underprivileged couples, but the mental image of the Republican nominee for VP being swamped with cards saying 'A Generous Gift has been made in your honor' is too irresistible to pass up.
So, instead of us all sending around emails about how horrible she is (like I've been doing!!),
let's each make a donation to Planned Parenthood in Sarah Palin's name.
When you make a donation to Planned Parenthood in her honor, they'll send her a card telling her so.

Here's the link to the Planned Parenthood website:

https://secure.ga0.org/02/pp10000_inhonor

You'll need to fill in an address to let Planned Parenthood know
where to send the 'in Sarah Palin's honor' card.

I suggest you use the address for the McCain campaign
headquarters, which is:

McCain for President
1235 S. Clark Street
1st Floor
Arlington , VA 22202

NOTE: make sure you use the link above or go directly to the
Planned Parenthood donation website http:// www.plannedparenthood.org/donate/donate-89.htm
and choose the pulldown of:
Donate--Honorary or Memorial Donations, not the regular 'Donate Online' or she won't get the notification.


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At present, Taylor is trying his hand at "rock'n'roll," but for those who watched this boy's career as I have--it is impossible not to look at that bone structure and think, "What if?"

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10/1/2008 8:15 PM (GMT-08:00)
randomhero2006

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quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:

quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:

Good luck! I hate going to the shelters because I want to take all the animals home.


Yeah...it's hard. I tried not to look at too many dogs as we walked past (since we were going there just to see a specific dog.)

No! Look. And take a few more home while you're at it.

By the way, she is adorable. All smiles in her pic. Too cute!

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10/1/2008 5:49 PM (GMT-08:00)
Mrs. Bee

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quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:

Good luck! I hate going to the shelters because I want to take all the animals home.


Yeah...it's hard. I tried not to look at too many dogs as we walked past (since we were going there just to see a specific dog.)

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10/1/2008 11:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
ImNotYourStar

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Good luck! I hate going to the shelters because I want to take all the animals home.


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9/30/2008 9:26 PM (GMT-08:00)
Criminally Elegant

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Re: .

Yeah, I think not this paycheck, but next paycheck I'm gonna head down to the El Cajon Animal Shelter and see what's there.


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9/30/2008 8:21 PM (GMT-08:00)
ImNotYourStar

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Re: !

Just go to the ASPCA. The lady & I got a little yorkie mutt about a year ago for $60.


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9/30/2008 12:30 PM (GMT-08:00)
Criminally Elegant

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quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:

I found ours on petfinder.com

They think she's an Australian Cattle Dog mix. She's a year and a half old.

Here's a photo....
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/JaneJetson06/Lucy/IMG_1699.jpg


That's one of the sites I was searching on.

The applications some of the shelters want you to fill out are kind of annoying and stupid though. It's pretty clear which answers are "right" and "wrong."

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9/30/2008 8:31 AM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:


I'm going to be a mom on Tuesday! Not to a child though. To a dog we're adopting from a shelter. I'm pretty excited.


I've been seriously feeling the biological clock ticking recently. I've been looking at different animal shelters online for a dog too. It'll most likely be a Christmas present to myself. What kind of dog?


I found ours on petfinder.com

They think she's an Australian Cattle Dog mix. She's a year and a half old.

Here's a photo....
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/JaneJetson06/Lucy/IMG_1699.jpg


awww, my roommate found her dog on petfinder, too last, it was a golden retriever/ i think collie? mix, it looked like a toy when she first got him

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At present, Taylor is trying his hand at "rock'n'roll," but for those who watched this boy's career as I have--it is impossible not to look at that bone structure and think, "What if?"

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9/30/2008 8:06 AM (GMT-08:00)
IHeartRooney

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quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:

quote icon gaeilstar wrote:

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:


I'm going to be a mom on Tuesday! Not to a child though. To a dog we're adopting from a shelter. I'm pretty excited.


I've been seriously feeling the biological clock ticking recently. I've been looking at different animal shelters online for a dog too. It'll most likely be a Christmas present to myself. What kind of dog?


I found ours on petfinder.com

They think she's an Australian Cattle Dog mix. She's a year and a half old.

Here's a photo....
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/JaneJetson06/Lucy/IMG_1699.jpg


I saw your pics of her on your myspace page....what a cutie!!! I am going to take some pics of my Daisy and put up this weekend. I should post a link here too :)


I always liked the name Daisy for a dog, but Graham had a dog named Daisy when he was younger. So we decided on Lucy. We're going to pick her up in about 4 hours! YAY!


Whoo hoo! Congrats! Take lots of pictures with your new baby!

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9/30/2008 7:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
Mrs. Bee

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: P.S.

quote icon gaeilstar wrote:

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:


I'm going to be a mom on Tuesday! Not to a child though. To a dog we're adopting from a shelter. I'm pretty excited.


I've been seriously feeling the biological clock ticking recently. I've been looking at different animal shelters online for a dog too. It'll most likely be a Christmas present to myself. What kind of dog?


I found ours on petfinder.com

They think she's an Australian Cattle Dog mix. She's a year and a half old.

Here's a photo....
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/JaneJetson06/Lucy/IMG_1699.jpg


I saw your pics of her on your myspace page....what a cutie!!! I am going to take some pics of my Daisy and put up this weekend. I should post a link here too :)


I always liked the name Daisy for a dog, but Graham had a dog named Daisy when he was younger. So we decided on Lucy. We're going to pick her up in about 4 hours! YAY!

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9/30/2008 6:25 AM (GMT-08:00)
gaeilstar

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: P.S.

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:


I'm going to be a mom on Tuesday! Not to a child though. To a dog we're adopting from a shelter. I'm pretty excited.


I've been seriously feeling the biological clock ticking recently. I've been looking at different animal shelters online for a dog too. It'll most likely be a Christmas present to myself. What kind of dog?


I found ours on petfinder.com

They think she's an Australian Cattle Dog mix. She's a year and a half old.

Here's a photo....
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/JaneJetson06/Lucy/IMG_1699.jpg


I saw your pics of her on your myspace page....what a cutie!!! I am going to take some pics of my Daisy and put up this weekend. I should post a link here too :)

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9/30/2008 6:12 AM (GMT-08:00)
Mrs. Bee

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: P.S.

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:


I'm going to be a mom on Tuesday! Not to a child though. To a dog we're adopting from a shelter. I'm pretty excited.


I've been seriously feeling the biological clock ticking recently. I've been looking at different animal shelters online for a dog too. It'll most likely be a Christmas present to myself. What kind of dog?


I found ours on petfinder.com

They think she's an Australian Cattle Dog mix. She's a year and a half old.

Here's a photo....
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/JaneJetson06/Lucy/IMG_1699.jpg

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9/29/2008 10:59 PM (GMT-08:00)
vintageboots

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quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:

HAHAHAHAHA.....betoseem is just a friend. My lady doesn't post on here. I'ts nice to meet you too, Danielle.


i'm thinking it's too late to edit that out? haha. what can i say, you are pretty popular around here.

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9/29/2008 10:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:

quote icon vintageboots wrote:

quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:


edit://

Thanks Vintageboots!(sorry, I forgot your name!)


haha, no worries. my name is danielle. very nice to meet you Matt ;) if i remember correctly, your lady goes by betoseem around here, right?



HAHAHAHAHA.....betoseem is just a friend. My lady doesn't post on here. I'ts nice to meet you too, Danielle.

& to the person who mentioned paternity leave. My job offers it, but only to permanent employees. I have an interview this week , so hopefully soon I'll be actual staff after working there for so long.


ah, i see, good luck with that!

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At present, Taylor is trying his hand at "rock'n'roll," but for those who watched this boy's career as I have--it is impossible not to look at that bone structure and think, "What if?"

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9/29/2008 10:07 PM (GMT-08:00)
ImNotYourStar

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quote icon vintageboots wrote:

quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:


edit://

Thanks Vintageboots!(sorry, I forgot your name!)


haha, no worries. my name is danielle. very nice to meet you Matt ;) if i remember correctly, your lady goes by betoseem around here, right?



HAHAHAHAHA.....betoseem is just a friend. My lady doesn't post on here. I'ts nice to meet you too, Danielle.

& to the person who mentioned paternity leave. My job offers it, but only to permanent employees. I have an interview this week , so hopefully soon I'll be actual staff after working there for so long.

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9/29/2008 9:17 PM (GMT-08:00)
vintageboots

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quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:


edit://

Thanks Vintageboots!(sorry, I forgot your name!)


haha, no worries. my name is danielle. very nice to meet you Matt ;) if i remember correctly, your lady goes by betoseem around here, right?

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9/29/2008 8:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:


I like that name. I wish I could go on maternity leave. My friend/co-worker goes on maternity leave soon and I'll be filling in for her until she's back. Being the full time bookkeeper during the holiday season and for the major beginning of the year inventory is going to be scary. I'm pretty certain I'll have no idea what I'm doing. She says I can call her if I need to ask questions, but she's gonna be taking care of a newborn. Like I'm really gonna call and bother her.


I wish I could too! Work sucks. I'm the only clerk on my unit, so I always have so much work to do when I come back from being off a few days. I doubt they'll approve my request to take off two weeks after the baby is born. In the 18 months I've been there I've only called off 3 or 4 times, & had a week off only because I had this crazy seizure episode. Today I came into 30+ charts & my supervisor started bitching at me just because they weren't done! I'm only one person & when docs/nurses are asking me to do the simplest tasks they could do, it distracts me from my actual work. motherfuckers. enough venting.

Thanks, Brooke!

This woman at work one time came in while she was having a miscarriage, it was gross. The baby fit in a urine specimen jar, it looked like an alien.

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Thanks Vintageboots!(sorry, I forgot your name!)



some places give paternity leave

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At present, Taylor is trying his hand at "rock'n'roll," but for those who watched this boy's career as I have--it is impossible not to look at that bone structure and think, "What if?"

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9/29/2008 8:13 PM (GMT-08:00)
ImNotYourStar

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quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:


I like that name. I wish I could go on maternity leave. My friend/co-worker goes on maternity leave soon and I'll be filling in for her until she's back. Being the full time bookkeeper during the holiday season and for the major beginning of the year inventory is going to be scary. I'm pretty certain I'll have no idea what I'm doing. She says I can call her if I need to ask questions, but she's gonna be taking care of a newborn. Like I'm really gonna call and bother her.


I wish I could too! Work sucks. I'm the only clerk on my unit, so I always have so much work to do when I come back from being off a few days. I doubt they'll approve my request to take off two weeks after the baby is born. In the 18 months I've been there I've only called off 3 or 4 times, & had a week off only because I had this crazy seizure episode. Today I came into 30+ charts & my supervisor started bitching at me just because they weren't done! I'm only one person & when docs/nurses are asking me to do the simplest tasks they could do, it distracts me from my actual work. motherfuckers. enough venting.

Thanks, Brooke!

This woman at work one time came in while she was having a miscarriage, it was gross. The baby fit in a urine specimen jar, it looked like an alien.

edit://

Thanks Vintageboots!(sorry, I forgot your name!)

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9/29/2008 8:09 PM (GMT-08:00)
vintageboots

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quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:

I'm going to be a daddy in ~4 weeks, I'm scared.


Congrats to you and your lady! Elijah's a great name.

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9/29/2008 7:30 PM (GMT-08:00)
Criminally Elegant

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quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:


You asked on the HA board, but we still hadn't decided on a name yet. We're most likely going with Elijah. My lady goes on maternity leave next week, she's excited.


I like that name. I wish I could go on maternity leave. My friend/co-worker goes on maternity leave soon and I'll be filling in for her until she's back. Being the full time bookkeeper during the holiday season and for the major beginning of the year inventory is going to be scary. I'm pretty certain I'll have no idea what I'm doing. She says I can call her if I need to ask questions, but she's gonna be taking care of a newborn. Like I'm really gonna call and bother her.

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9/29/2008 7:28 PM (GMT-08:00)
Criminally Elegant

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: P.S.

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:


I'm going to be a mom on Tuesday! Not to a child though. To a dog we're adopting from a shelter. I'm pretty excited.


I've been seriously feeling the biological clock ticking recently. I've been looking at different animal shelters online for a dog too. It'll most likely be a Christmas present to myself. What kind of dog?

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"Well, a lot of changes have gone down since Hip first hit the heartland." - Lester Bangs

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9/29/2008 7:20 AM (GMT-08:00)
Babbling_Brooke

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: P.S.

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:



I don't need to google pictures of aborted fetuses. It won't change my mind. Just like I'm well aware of the fact that I'm not changing anyone's mind here. There's nothing wrong with a little debate. Some people even find it *gasp* stimulating. I know it's beyond the grasp of most of you. Do I think less of Graham and/or Jill because we disagree? No. It's called being all growned up, kids.

I can't believe how fast that time went by Matt. My co-worker goes on maternity leave at the end of October or beginning of November. Her due date is actually my niece's 1st birthday. Did I already ask if you had a name picked out?


I don't mean that there's anything wrong with a good debate. I usually love a good political debate, for crying out loud I'm a political science major.

I just resent being made out to have no soul on the friggin Rooney message boards (of all places) because I don't want to google pictures of aborted fetuses and believe in a woman's right to choose.

Anyway... on a happier note congrats to Matt!

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9/29/2008 6:17 AM (GMT-08:00)
ImNotYourStar

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quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:



I can't believe how fast that time went by Matt. My co-worker goes on maternity leave at the end of October or beginning of November. Her due date is actually my niece's 1st birthday. Did I already ask if you had a name picked out?


You asked on the HA board, but we still hadn't decided on a name yet. We're most likely going with Elijah. My lady goes on maternity leave next week, she's excited.

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9/28/2008 11:40 PM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:


I think she's just saying that it would seem a little hypocritical for someone who clearly prizes all forms of life so very highly, no matter how conscious they are of their existence, or no matter how developed that form of life is, to be okay with the slaughter of animals for their meat.


More or less.

And I'm pretty sure I never said that a fetus isn't alive. I said it isn't alive in the same way that a five year old child is. There are many lifelike qualities to a fetus at all different stages of its development, but at 12 weeks can a fetus exist outside of the womb the way a five year old can? No.

I don't need to google pictures of aborted fetuses. It won't change my mind. Just like I'm well aware of the fact that I'm not changing anyone's mind here. There's nothing wrong with a little debate. Some people even find it *gasp* stimulating. I know it's beyond the grasp of most of you. Do I think less of Graham and/or Jill because we disagree? No. It's called being all growned up, kids.

I can't believe how fast that time went by Matt. My co-worker goes on maternity leave at the end of October or beginning of November. Her due date is actually my niece's 1st birthday. Did I already ask if you had a name picked out?


Being all growed up is pretty fun.

I'm going to be a mom on Tuesday! Not to a child though. To a dog we're adopting from a shelter. I'm pretty excited.


aww, post pictures!

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At present, Taylor is trying his hand at "rock'n'roll," but for those who watched this boy's career as I have--it is impossible not to look at that bone structure and think, "What if?"

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9/28/2008 11:30 PM (GMT-08:00)
Mrs. Bee

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: P.S.

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:


I think she's just saying that it would seem a little hypocritical for someone who clearly prizes all forms of life so very highly, no matter how conscious they are of their existence, or no matter how developed that form of life is, to be okay with the slaughter of animals for their meat.


More or less.

And I'm pretty sure I never said that a fetus isn't alive. I said it isn't alive in the same way that a five year old child is. There are many lifelike qualities to a fetus at all different stages of its development, but at 12 weeks can a fetus exist outside of the womb the way a five year old can? No.

I don't need to google pictures of aborted fetuses. It won't change my mind. Just like I'm well aware of the fact that I'm not changing anyone's mind here. There's nothing wrong with a little debate. Some people even find it *gasp* stimulating. I know it's beyond the grasp of most of you. Do I think less of Graham and/or Jill because we disagree? No. It's called being all growned up, kids.

I can't believe how fast that time went by Matt. My co-worker goes on maternity leave at the end of October or beginning of November. Her due date is actually my niece's 1st birthday. Did I already ask if you had a name picked out?


Being all growed up is pretty fun.

I'm going to be a mom on Tuesday! Not to a child though. To a dog we're adopting from a shelter. I'm pretty excited.

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9/28/2008 11:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
Criminally Elegant

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Re: Re: Re: Re: P.S.

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:


I think she's just saying that it would seem a little hypocritical for someone who clearly prizes all forms of life so very highly, no matter how conscious they are of their existence, or no matter how developed that form of life is, to be okay with the slaughter of animals for their meat.


More or less.

And I'm pretty sure I never said that a fetus isn't alive. I said it isn't alive in the same way that a five year old child is. There are many lifelike qualities to a fetus at all different stages of its development, but at 12 weeks can a fetus exist outside of the womb the way a five year old can? No.

I don't need to google pictures of aborted fetuses. It won't change my mind. Just like I'm well aware of the fact that I'm not changing anyone's mind here. There's nothing wrong with a little debate. Some people even find it *gasp* stimulating. I know it's beyond the grasp of most of you. Do I think less of Graham and/or Jill because we disagree? No. It's called being all growned up, kids.

I can't believe how fast that time went by Matt. My co-worker goes on maternity leave at the end of October or beginning of November. Her due date is actually my niece's 1st birthday. Did I already ask if you had a name picked out?

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9/28/2008 9:48 PM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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quote icon ImNotYourStar wrote:

It should just be legal to drown a child up to the age of 18.


I'm going to be a daddy in ~4 weeks, I'm scared.


are you seriously going to be a dad in 4 weeks? if so, congratulations!

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9/28/2008 9:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
ImNotYourStar

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It should just be legal to drown a child up to the age of 18.


I'm going to be a daddy in ~4 weeks, I'm scared.


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9/28/2008 5:51 PM (GMT-08:00)
Babbling_Brooke

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Oh My God! Enough Already! You're entitled to your opinion as am I.

Nobody here (myself included) has managed to sway anyone here to the other side of this issue so can we just go back to making fun of Jonas Brother fans and chatting about new music?

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9/28/2008 5:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
emrose

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Re: ....

if you believe in pro-choice or think a
fetus isn't living, go to google and type
in aborted babies. its sickening. i honestly
don't know how you can think that a fetus
isn't alive.

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9/28/2008 3:02 AM (GMT-08:00)
CathyRindhoops

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Re: Re: Re: P.S.

quote icon ClownBaby wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

Pooping and growing doesn't make something a human. It makes it an animal. I surely hope you're a vegetarian.


So you agree with me that a fetus is alive? You're either, animal, vegetable, or mineral.

What does being a vegetarian have to do with a fetus being animal? Are you suggesting that if a fetus were alive it would be intended for consumption? If so, I'd most definitely eat one for the delicious stem cells alone. I hear they can become any type of cell. I have a craving for steak cells.

Would you eat your dog. It's an animal too.

Did you know that plants produce an aspirin like substance when they're in distress? Something to think about when you're chowing down on those veggies. In relative terms, they suffered like animals when they're slaughtered for their delicious meat.

I'm going to be gone for the weekend. Have fun with this ridiculous debate about whether or not a fetus with a beating heart is alive or not.


I think she's just saying that it would seem a little hypocritical for someone who clearly prizes all forms of life so very highly, no matter how conscious they are of their existence, or no matter how developed that form of life is, to be okay with the slaughter of animals for their meat.

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9/27/2008 4:51 AM (GMT-08:00)
Big McLargehuge

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Re: Re: P.S.

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

Pooping and growing doesn't make something a human. It makes it an animal. I surely hope you're a vegetarian.


So you agree with me that a fetus is alive? You're either, animal, vegetable, or mineral.

What does being a vegetarian have to do with a fetus being animal? Are you suggesting that if a fetus were alive it would be intended for consumption? If so, I'd most definitely eat one for the delicious stem cells alone. I hear they can become any type of cell. I have a craving for steak cells.

Would you eat your dog. It's an animal too.

Did you know that plants produce an aspirin like substance when they're in distress? Something to think about when you're chowing down on those veggies. In relative terms, they suffered like animals when they're slaughtered for their delicious meat.

I'm going to be gone for the weekend. Have fun with this ridiculous debate about whether or not a fetus with a beating heart is alive or not.

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9/27/2008 4:08 AM (GMT-08:00)
Mrs. Bee

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quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

quote icon ClownBaby wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:


There's an obvious difference. A fetus cannot survive outside of the womb. A living, breathing, walking, talking child is not the same as a fetus. While it has lifelike qualities, I would not consider a fetus that's not yet viable a life.


Tell that to the premature babies that survive daily around the world. Living and breathing are admirable qualities but they do not equate life and walking and talking are luxuries that the physically handicapped and mutes do not enjoy so those two features are not necessary to establish life. Living and breathing...

Let's start with living. Living per evolution is achieved via survival. We survive by converting the nutrients provided by our environment. Tape worms survive in a similar fashion as a baby/fetus. We consider them to be alive don't we?

So breathing is pretty much the only way YOU define your humanity. Are you aware that babies don't immediate start inhaling after they emerge from their mother? They need a hand to start that process. Does this also mean that a baby is still a fetus until it gets the "Whack of Life?" What if said baby has to be on a respirator? Is that baby not alive yet?

When did you become a baby? Were you not a baby in the seconds preceeding your emerging from the womb?

I'm sure there are libraries in your city. Check out a biology book and I'm sure you'll find a well supported consensus on what the scientific community equates to being alive.

A seed, like an egg is not alive. A sapling, while not a tree by definition, is still alive. A fetus, while not a baby by definition, is still alive. It feeds, grows, and survives off what is provided by its environment.

It's science. Basic science at that.

You don't have to believe a fetus is a baby. However, you can't deny that it's alive. They poop for Christ's sake!


I don't believe that a fetus is alive in the way that a five year old child is, which is the absurd comparison that was given to me. I conceded that a fetus does have lifelike qualities. I was not a baby before I emerged from the womb. I was a fetus. Birth is what makes a baby a baby. Perhaps this is just arguing semantics at this point, but hey, facts are facts, right?

Should I put up a link to a definition of viable? If a fetus is capable of surviving outside of the womb, then I'd consider it a life. Is it a baby? No.


So are you saying that a fetus isn't a living being?

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9/26/2008 10:47 PM (GMT-08:00)
Criminally Elegant

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Re: P.S.

Pooping and growing doesn't make something a human. It makes it an animal. I surely hope you're a vegetarian.


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9/26/2008 10:43 PM (GMT-08:00)
Criminally Elegant

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it just me or isn't this really REALLY pointless?!?

quote icon ClownBaby wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:


There's an obvious difference. A fetus cannot survive outside of the womb. A living, breathing, walking, talking child is not the same as a fetus. While it has lifelike qualities, I would not consider a fetus that's not yet viable a life.


Tell that to the premature babies that survive daily around the world. Living and breathing are admirable qualities but they do not equate life and walking and talking are luxuries that the physically handicapped and mutes do not enjoy so those two features are not necessary to establish life. Living and breathing...

Let's start with living. Living per evolution is achieved via survival. We survive by converting the nutrients provided by our environment. Tape worms survive in a similar fashion as a baby/fetus. We consider them to be alive don't we?

So breathing is pretty much the only way YOU define your humanity. Are you aware that babies don't immediate start inhaling after they emerge from their mother? They need a hand to start that process. Does this also mean that a baby is still a fetus until it gets the "Whack of Life?" What if said baby has to be on a respirator? Is that baby not alive yet?

When did you become a baby? Were you not a baby in the seconds preceeding your emerging from the womb?

I'm sure there are libraries in your city. Check out a biology book and I'm sure you'll find a well supported consensus on what the scientific community equates to being alive.

A seed, like an egg is not alive. A sapling, while not a tree by definition, is still alive. A fetus, while not a baby by definition, is still alive. It feeds, grows, and survives off what is provided by its environment.

It's science. Basic science at that.

You don't have to believe a fetus is a baby. However, you can't deny that it's alive. They poop for Christ's sake!


I don't believe that a fetus is alive in the way that a five year old child is, which is the absurd comparison that was given to me. I conceded that a fetus does have lifelike qualities. I was not a baby before I emerged from the womb. I was a fetus. Birth is what makes a baby a baby. Perhaps this is just arguing semantics at this point, but hey, facts are facts, right?

Should I put up a link to a definition of viable? If a fetus is capable of surviving outside of the womb, then I'd consider it a life. Is it a baby? No.

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9/26/2008 10:34 PM (GMT-08:00)
Criminally Elegant

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it just me or isn't this really REALLY pointless?!?

quote icon Mrs. Bee wrote:

quote icon Criminally Elegant wrote:

quote icon SweetTangerine wrote:

It's still a baby. I worked at a day-care for a while with a little girl who was the product of rape and the mother kept her. Does that mean if the mother gets tired of looking at her, and remembering the rape, should she just be able to kill her if she wants? I'm sure you don't think so, but really...what's the difference? It's the same baby that was in the womb.


There's an obvious difference. A fetus cannot survive outside of the womb. A living, breathing, walking, talking child is not the same as a fetus. While it has lifelike qualities, I would not consider a fetus that's not yet viable a life.


Premature babies can survive outside the womb though, right?

According to you, a baby in the womb at 26 weeks is not a baby? But a baby born early (at 26 weeks) is a baby?


Look up the term viable. If a premature fetus can survive outside of the womb, then that would make it viable, wouldn't it?

According to science, which your husband is convinced I'm unaware of, a baby in the womb at 26 weeks (i.e. after the embryonic stage, but before birth) is a fetus. The term baby is applied to an infant after birth. So yes, I believe that a 26 week old fetus in the womb is not a baby, but a premature infant is.

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9/26/2008 5:25 PM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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Location: Bloomfield, NJ, US

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ...

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:


Are you saying then, that all vegetarians should become vegan? Since every egg has the potential to become a chicken? I'm sorry, but just because something has the potential to become something else, it does not automatically have the same value as the thing it could later become.

I'm just going to have to disagree with you on this, because we clearly have different principles. You so strongly advocate the rights of a fetus, but what about the rights of a woman and her right to take control of her life or her body?


actually all eggs dont have the potential to become chickens, the egg must be fertilized in order for it to have the potential for it become a chick. the eggs we eat are unfertilized and will never hatch no matter how long the mother chicken sits on it. so yes, if it does have the potential to become a breathing viable being then it has value. and our rights stop where another's rights begin, unless the mother is in a high risk pregnancy and will die because of the child in her womb. a woman does have the right to take control of ehr life and bosy, but the fetus inside is not her body nor life.

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9/26/2008 2:09 PM (GMT-08:00)
Mrs. Bee

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Joined: 7/8/2002
Posts: 1036

Location: Omaha, NE, US

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ...

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

quote icon Cheeky Monkey wrote:

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

quote icon Cheeky Monkey wrote:

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

But is it really so much better to force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child that she won't truly want to have - therefore potentially giving it a miserable existence, than for her to abort a few cells that are splitting in her womb and have no semblance of life yet?


so then would you support someone who wants to commit suicide because they have a miserable existence? and they could always put the kid up for adoption, although not the best situation, that child can grow up and still have a good life. the kid deserves a chance to live its life.

and an answer to your comment about splitting cells:

this was taken from the webster english dictionary: emphasis on definition c

1 a: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body
b: a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings
c: an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction


You can hardly compare the abortion of a very early undeveloped fetus to the suicide of a fully grown human being. And yeah, I know that growth and reproduction are signs of early life, I never said that the splitting cells didn't mean ANYTHING, they just don't mean as much as a fully developed human being with thoughts, senses and feelings.


you just gave the reason of possibly having a miserable life as a reason to abort a baby. you are ok with ending a life because of an assumption? and splitting cells and growth is not a sign of life, it IS life. a fetus will become a full grown baby given the proper time to develop.


Are you saying then, that all vegetarians should become vegan? Since every egg has the potential to become a chicken? I'm sorry, but just because something has the potential to become something else, it does not automatically have the same value as the thing it could later become.

I'm just going to have to disagree with you on this, because we clearly have different principles. You so strongly advocate the rights of a fetus, but what about the rights of a woman and her right to take control of her life or her body?


With the exception of rape....the woman should have taken control of her life and body by using a condom or using some form of birth control.

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9/26/2008 1:50 PM (GMT-08:00)
vintageboots

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Posts: 285

Location: In lovely, CA, US

Re: i can't contain myself any longer...

all this baby talk reminds me of...

http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/alien-page-3-the-chest-bursting-scene/

baby. fetus. blah, blah, blah. poop. fecies. blah.


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9/26/2008 1:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
CathyRindhoops

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Joined: 1/21/2003
Posts: 284

Location: Deal, Kent, GB

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ...

quote icon Cheeky Monkey wrote:

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

quote icon Cheeky Monkey wrote:

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

But is it really so much better to force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child that she won't truly want to have - therefore potentially giving it a miserable existence, than for her to abort a few cells that are splitting in her womb and have no semblance of life yet?


so then would you support someone who wants to commit suicide because they have a miserable existence? and they could always put the kid up for adoption, although not the best situation, that child can grow up and still have a good life. the kid deserves a chance to live its life.

and an answer to your comment about splitting cells:

this was taken from the webster english dictionary: emphasis on definition c

1 a: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body
b: a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings
c: an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction


You can hardly compare the abortion of a very early undeveloped fetus to the suicide of a fully grown human being. And yeah, I know that growth and reproduction are signs of early life, I never said that the splitting cells didn't mean ANYTHING, they just don't mean as much as a fully developed human being with thoughts, senses and feelings.


you just gave the reason of possibly having a miserable life as a reason to abort a baby. you are ok with ending a life because of an assumption? and splitting cells and growth is not a sign of life, it IS life. a fetus will become a full grown baby given the proper time to develop.


Are you saying then, that all vegetarians should become vegan? Since every egg has the potential to become a chicken? I'm sorry, but just because something has the potential to become something else, it does not automatically have the same value as the thing it could later become.

I'm just going to have to disagree with you on this, because we clearly have different principles. You so strongly advocate the rights of a fetus, but what about the rights of a woman and her right to take control of her life or her body?

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9/26/2008 1:18 PM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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Posts: 1442

Location: Bloomfield, NJ, US

Re: Re: Re: Re: ...

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

quote icon Cheeky Monkey wrote:

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

But is it really so much better to force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child that she won't truly want to have - therefore potentially giving it a miserable existence, than for her to abort a few cells that are splitting in her womb and have no semblance of life yet?


so then would you support someone who wants to commit suicide because they have a miserable existence? and they could always put the kid up for adoption, although not the best situation, that child can grow up and still have a good life. the kid deserves a chance to live its life.

and an answer to your comment about splitting cells:

this was taken from the webster english dictionary: emphasis on definition c

1 a: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body
b: a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings
c: an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction


You can hardly compare the abortion of a very early undeveloped fetus to the suicide of a fully grown human being. And yeah, I know that growth and reproduction are signs of early life, I never said that the splitting cells didn't mean ANYTHING, they just don't mean as much as a fully developed human being with thoughts, senses and feelings.


and you're right, there is a difference between a person who commits suicide and an aborted fetus. in the first case, the person chooses to end his life and in the second case, the person has no choice, the choice is made for him by someone else.

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9/26/2008 1:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
IHeartRooney

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Re: Re: Re: Re: ...

quote icon ClownBaby wrote:



Oral Sex:
Similar levels of satisfaction. All the same risk of disease. No risk of pregnancy. It's a win, win, win.
He won't know the difference and you'd rather have him work the important bits anyway.
If you love your partner, use your mouth to tell them.
If you're horny and just need an outlet. Use your mouth to tell them.


*jaw drop*
Mr. Graham! I giggled.

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9/26/2008 12:58 PM (GMT-08:00)
Big McLargehuge

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Location: Bunz Town, NE, US

Re: Re: Re: ...

quote icon Cheeky Monkey wrote:


so then would you support someone who wants to commit suicide because they have a miserable existence? and they could always put the kid up for adoption, although not the best situation, that child can grow up and still have a good life. the kid deserves a chance to live its life.

and an answer to your comment about splitting cells:

this was taken from the webster english dictionary: emphasis on definition c

1 a: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body
b: a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings
c: an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction


If somebody wants to commit suicide it's their own business. Adoption is a fantastic alternative but in this day and age when we can find out as quickly as we can when somebody is pregnant there should be a much smaller window than there is for abortion.

It can be argued that it's a big decision to make but then again (with the exception of rape) the decision was made to have sex without any form of contraception in a very short period of time. If they can decide to get their rocks off in a matter of seconds they can sure do the same with regards to the baby they didn't plan on having.

What about those who don't know they're preggers you ask? That's the fault of our awesome sex education programs and lack of resources for the ignorant girls who get pregnant when they're not ready. Perhaps the should be told at an early age to just not do it.

Here's my solution. It's a simple campaign that caters to our and their increasing horniness.

Oral Sex:
Similar levels of satisfaction. All the same risk of disease. No risk of pregnancy. It's a win, win, win.
He won't know the difference and you'd rather have him work the important bits anyway.
If you love your partner, use your mouth to tell them.
If you're horny and just need an outlet. Use your mouth to tell them.

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9/26/2008 12:47 PM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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Posts: 1442

Location: Bloomfield, NJ, US

Re: Re: Re: Re: ...

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

quote icon Cheeky Monkey wrote:

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

But is it really so much better to force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child that she won't truly want to have - therefore potentially giving it a miserable existence, than for her to abort a few cells that are splitting in her womb and have no semblance of life yet?


so then would you support someone who wants to commit suicide because they have a miserable existence? and they could always put the kid up for adoption, although not the best situation, that child can grow up and still have a good life. the kid deserves a chance to live its life.

and an answer to your comment about splitting cells:

this was taken from the webster english dictionary: emphasis on definition c

1 a: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body
b: a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings
c: an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction


You can hardly compare the abortion of a very early undeveloped fetus to the suicide of a fully grown human being. And yeah, I know that growth and reproduction are signs of early life, I never said that the splitting cells didn't mean ANYTHING, they just don't mean as much as a fully developed human being with thoughts, senses and feelings.


you just gave the reason of possibly having a miserable life as a reason to abort a baby. you are ok with ending a life because of an assumption? and splitting cells and growth is not a sign of life, it IS life. a fetus will become a full grown baby given the proper time to develop.

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9/26/2008 12:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
CathyRindhoops

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Joined: 1/21/2003
Posts: 284

Location: Deal, Kent, GB

Re: Re: Re: ...

quote icon Cheeky Monkey wrote:

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

But is it really so much better to force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child that she won't truly want to have - therefore potentially giving it a miserable existence, than for her to abort a few cells that are splitting in her womb and have no semblance of life yet?


so then would you support someone who wants to commit suicide because they have a miserable existence? and they could always put the kid up for adoption, although not the best situation, that child can grow up and still have a good life. the kid deserves a chance to live its life.

and an answer to your comment about splitting cells:

this was taken from the webster english dictionary: emphasis on definition c

1 a: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body
b: a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings
c: an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction


You can hardly compare the abortion of a very early undeveloped fetus to the suicide of a fully grown human being. And yeah, I know that growth and reproduction are signs of early life, I never said that the splitting cells didn't mean ANYTHING, they just don't mean as much as a fully developed human being with thoughts, senses and feelings.

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9/26/2008 10:37 AM (GMT-08:00)
Poppers986

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Joined: 4/6/2005
Posts: 1442

Location: Bloomfield, NJ, US

Re: Re: ...

quote icon CathyRindhoops wrote:

But is it really so much better to force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child that she won't truly want to have - therefore potentially giving it a miserable existence, than for her to abort a few cells that are splitting in her womb and have no semblance of life yet?


so then would you support someone who wants to commit suicide because they have a miserable existence? and they could always put the kid up for adoption, although not the best situation, that child can grow up and still have a good life. the kid deserves a chance to live its life.

and an answer to your comment about splitting cells:

this was taken from the webster english dictionary: emphasis on definition c

1 a: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body
b: a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings
c: an organismic state charact